More Street Photos

[Tom]

Re: More Street Photos

You really think you are a good photographer?Anyway only the last one could be interesting,the others are for the trash can!These pictures are NOT street photography!

Your first post I think? Very impressive start; straight in with an insult.
Hopefully things can only improve.

[Autumn]

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I think you've summed it up very neatly there.

I'm a fan of the work of the likes of John Bownlow so I suppose he's the person who influenced my own attempts at 'street'.

Here's a link of showing some of John Brownlow's work - though I
imagine you may already have it.


Polly

Well Pol, I followed the link to John Brownlow and I have to admit if I had taken those photographs, 85% would have gone directly to the rubbish bin. I felt that they were badly exposed, badly executed, a lot were obviously taken through glass as there were reflections. In fact, apart from last night at our Photographic Society, (when we had http://www.londonsalon.org/)
I have yet to see so many photographs at one time which I dislike.

So ... ... ... "You can please some of the people, some of the time ... ... ... ..."

It's a good job we don't all like the same thing.

I do like street photography, and I have enjoyed looking at George's because I understand them. I hate having to search for a meaning and to guess what the photographer was seeing/thing when he/she took the photograph.

I am a simple sole.

[Pol]

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Well Pol, I followed the link to John Brownlow and I have to admit if I had taken those photographs, 85% would have gone directly to the rubbish bin. I felt that they were badly exposed, badly executed, a lot were obviously taken through glass as there were reflections. In fact, apart from last night at our Photographic Society, (when we had http://www.londonsalon.org/)
I have yet to see so many photographs at one time which I dislike.

So ... ... ... "You can please some of the people, some of the time ... ... ... ..."

It's a good job we don't all like the same thing.

I do like street photography, and I have enjoyed looking at George's because I understand them. I hate having to search for a meaning and to guess what the photographer was seeing/thing when he/she took the photograph.

I am a simple sole.

LOL

The general idea of 'street' - as far as I understand - is that the photographer aims to make some sort of visual connection and interaction with the subject(s) . ie to give the feeling he's there within the scene and involved, yet at the same time he's 'invisible' and shooting candids.

Some say the ideal range is about 50 - 100mm rather than using a long zoom. I mainly use that sort of range but sometimes use up to 300mm if I'm not feeling very brave or can't manage to hobble safely across a road. Generally speaking - B/W is also said to be preferable.

As for John Brownlow .. he's one of the modern gurus of street photography with quite a large following, along with his mailing lists. 'M' 'introduced me to his work ages ago after I'd shown him some of my own and asked him for some straight/honest critique .. and he sure did give me a very full and honest critique in his own inimitable way.

Pol

[cowcrzy06]

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Ian,

Thank You. I could not have said it better.

[Archangel]

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You really think you are a good photographer?Anyway only the last one could be interesting,the others are for the trash can!These pictures are NOT street photography!

Dear friend,

Did I claim somewhere that I'm a good photographer?
Anyway...,these were a set of photos complementing another earlier post of photos from an Antiwar Protesting that can be found here: http://dpnow.com/forum2/showthread.php?t=2181

You might find these photos for the trash can, though some from the "Antiwar Protest" thread were featured in a magazine.
They are taken for journal reasons and not as artistic type street photos.
They are not used for competitions, not for exhibitions and not as best work effort either.
They were taken for specific purpose and posted here as informative for other friends to see, the same other friends do to with their photos.

Do you really think that eyes are enough to distinguish a good photo from a bad photo? And, do you really think, if you are not talented as you state, this is a good standard for a fair photo judgment?

The term "Street Photography" is a general abstract term. Strictly term speaking, all photos taken on the street are called "Street Photos"
Though, after, they are divided into more specific sub-categories.
If you are so sure what is street photography, can you tell to me too, so I can learn and also which sub-categories of street photography exist?
For sure, in one of the sub-categories these photos belong.
Can you find which one it is and make a post with the name of it?
Also, which type of framing technique/style have I used here?
I will not ask for more clarifications like: why in any of these photos the main subject (human) has his/her head not facing straight the camera, or why their bodies or parts of their bodies are partially cut, e.t.c.

Till then, have a nice day!

P.S. If you really want to see what street and action photography is, check this Greek fellow here: http://www.fotoartmagazine.net/yanni...isbehrakis.htm


George

[Archangel]

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halfzware1,

I forgot to say that one ancient Greek expression says: "The right start of everything in life, is half way to success".

Welcome to the forum.


George

[bigbob]

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George i normally would keep out of things that don't effect me , but bad manners are bad manners , if anyone spoke to me like that and was within a 100 mile radius i would request a face to face meeting , and have done once or twice on other forums .
This guy should have more respect for senior forum members on his first post , arguements often occur on forums , Tim (bearface)and yourself have one going , but i'm sure although it got heated both of you accept it as the cut and thrust between two talented photographers who differ in opinion , and it would'nt stop you both offering advice or critique in future posts .
This one was different it was a personall attack from someone who has'nt as yet posted one picture .
And if he needs to pick on someone else , my gallery is open to critique , but my mind is closed to bigots .

B..

[Archangel]

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George i normally would keep out of things that don't effect me , but bad manners are bad manners , if anyone spoke to me like that and was within a 100 mile radius i would request a face to face meeting , and have done once or twice on other forums .
This guy should have more respect for senior forum members on his first post , arguements often occur on forums , Tim (bearface)and yourself have one going , but i'm sure although it got heated both of you accept it as the cut and thrust between two talented photographers who differ in opinion , and it would'nt stop you both offering advice or critique in future posts .
This one was different it was a personall attack from someone who has'nt as yet posted one picture .
And if he needs to pick on someone else , my gallery is open to critique , but my mind is closed to bigots .

B..

Bigbob,

You are right. Maybe I devoted more time than necessary to someone, who's main purpose in his first post was accusation.
I've done the face to face meeting here in the Greek forums, twice as it is easy for someone to play tough with a keyboard from a safe distance and behind a monitor. One of these times, the guy came and we ended up to be good friends, sending me now previews of his photos to tell him my opinion and if they will make a good photo for the critique section and what are the chances according to my opinion for his photo to achieve a good grading.

The second time, I gave my address to another guy to come here to my home to "show me" as he said, but he didn't appear.

As far as my debate with Tim is concerned, personally I think and by judging from his normal writing style, when he uses it, that he is not a mean person, but it does have some explosions from time to time, as all of us do anyway.
I do not have bad intentions towards anybody simply because it is not in my character to do such and I think that has been proven from helping in private some people from the forum.

What I can do from now on to such personal attacks is to offer the option to these people of how they want me to judge their photos, if they post any: simply by viewing them, strictly photographically (technique, e.t.c) or both.

Though, I have the impression, that this incident was so out of the blue, sudden and strange and I start thinking that maybe was somehow guided.
What I'm trying to say it is that it is very strange for someone to register and just pick Archangel in his first post to make such a statement.

Though if necessary, I will have to pull out my photography school dusty degree and talk on a different basis with such people.

Anyway.


Take care Bob


George

[pewidane]

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For me street photos are snapshots and i lowe them.

What photograph is not a snapshot,still life,documents,landscape,etc.?
For me all my photos are snapshot and Arcangel ,john brownlowns photograps are great.PEWIDANE.

[Stephen]

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For me street photos are snapshots and i lowe them.

What photograph is not a snapshot,still life,documents,landscape,etc.?
For me all my photos are snapshot and Arcangel ,john brownlowns photograps are great.PEWIDANE.

I think this is a clear enough mesage Peder

[Jocelyn Walker]

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I'm not a talanted photographer,but i have eyes and can tell a good photo from a bad one. If you really want to see some top street photo's check out Garry Winogrand,I'm sure you have heard of him.

I'm sorry I haven't heard of Garry Winogrand! Names really don't mean much to me, nor does name dropping! I am just a simple person who enjoys photography. I don't class myself as any great shakes as adjudicator or judge, (or photographer-come to that) something either appeals to me or it doesn't! I find relaxation & sense of achievement in expressing myself in all artforms! I also am fully aware that what may be one persons meat maybe another ones poison! Thats human & everyone is entitled to their own opinion & the insight of how & when to air it comes from (Life's) understanding & experience!

[halfzware1]

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Dear friend,

Did I claim somewhere that I'm a good photographer?
Anyway...,these were a set of photos complementing another earlier post of photos from an Antiwar Protesting that can be found here: http://dpnow.com/forum2/showthread.php?t=2181

You might find these photos for the trash can, though some from the "Antiwar Protest" thread were featured in a magazine.
They are taken for journal reasons and not as artistic type street photos.
They are not used for competitions, not for exhibitions and not as best work effort either.
They were taken for specific purpose and posted here as informative for other friends to see, the same other friends do to with their photos.

Do you really think that eyes are enough to distinguish a good photo from a bad photo? And, do you really think, if you are not talented as you state, this is a good standard for a fair photo judgment?

The term "Street Photography" is a general abstract term. Strictly term speaking, all photos taken on the street are called "Street Photos"
Though, after, they are divided into more specific sub-categories.
If you are so sure what is street photography, can you tell to me too, so I can learn and also which sub-categories of street photography exist?
For sure, in one of the sub-categories these photos belong.
Can you find which one it is and make a post with the name of it?
Also, which type of framing technique/style have I used here?
I will not ask for more clarifications like: why in any of these photos the main subject (human) has his/her head not facing straight the camera, or why their bodies or parts of their bodies are partially cut, e.t.c.

Till then, have a nice day!

P.S. If you really want to see what street and action photography is, check this Greek fellow here: http://www.fotoartmagazine.net/yanni...isbehrakis.htm


George

Dear George,
In what kind of magazine where these pictures featured in?The title of the thread you made is called "More street photos" and now you are saying that these pictures where taken for a photojournalistic reason.Are you a profesional photojournalist?If you are,you must be new in the game,there is no story to tell with your pics.If you are not,i think it is a big mistake for you to give these pics to the magazine,its not very nice to take the job of trained profesionals like that.

My judgment is 100% fair.Or do you think that judgment can be given only by photographers to photographers?Good taste is not a privelege that only you have but also the simple person has,who just takes a look at a newspaper or a magazine.

Street photogrpahy is not an abstract vauge term but it has become one because of photos and snapshots like yours.Your technocratic approach with...sub-categories is a big mistake.You are just trying to fit in your pictures somewhere,so street photography takes the blame?Sorry again,your photos are not street photography they are snapshots just taken on the street.

About your style now...well i think you dont have the courage to be close to your subject and work next to it with a 35mm or 50mm lens,your photos are clearly with a tele lens.You rimind me of amatuers that love there new lens so much that they forget to take it of and just take all there photos with that lens.About your clarifications(sic) I am sure that you dont even look at viewfinder half of the times you take your pictures,there is no reason why the bodies are partially cut or they are not facing straight the camera.I'm sure you also have a great collection of peoples...backs in your hard disk,typical approach of an amateur to street photography.

Ha ha ha,Behrakis?Well i know him from his pictures from Reuters,but i prefer Yannis Kontos.He is more human and down to earth than Behrakis and his pictures say "why,when and where".Behrakis is surelly a good photographer but i wouldnt call him a superb photojournalist.Most of his pictures are too artistic and they are so nice that you would put up a photo that he is taken of a dead body in your bedroom wall.Behrakis is not a street photographer but a good photojournalist that takes over-saturated pics.

Hope i didnt leave with any blanks now George

[Stephen]

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This thread has moved away from its original purpose, and has now become a vehicle to make personal derogatory comments on individuals. Not only this but others are jumping in to offer support or to tell off the other for their comments, and these serve no useful purpose. May I suggest that if halfzware1 and Archangel wish to continue the argument/discussion they do so privately, instead of creating conflict and an unpleasant feeling on the forums.

In the light of this I am now closing this thread. Any further attempt to continue such discussions on the forum may well be deleted.