Edge of the seat or what

[Gez]

Re: Edge of the seat or what

Hamilton actually won six races but lost points for doing what the great Schumacher did regularly - bend the rules.

[peter]

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Button's Honda self-destructed after the race - burst into flames. A fitting finale there!

What worrys me about Honda is that the engine is apparently down on power. This is exactly where Honda should be excelling and the problem is that engine development is frozen, so I'm not sure how they can improve in this vital area

Ian

I think that was the best thing for the Honda. I also hope for Jenson that Honda can get it even half right for next year or he will end up another DC always the bridesmaid never the bride. Not so sure about the engine freeze as Renault was able to upgrade the engine so as to bring it up to match the rest. Also do not forget next year they will have a new button to play with, wonder if anyone will have a kitt style paint job. Oh and for those of you to young to know who or what Kitt was just Google Knight Rider that's what I did

[peter]

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Hamilton actually won six races but lost points for doing what the great Schumacher did regularly - bend the rules.

I was reading today that lewis may go on to beat the seven titles. If that happens will people say that the sport is getting boring as the did when Schumacher was doing it. I think not because most of those people are British. Never mind lewis can now become the richest sports man in the world. That should help the credit crunch in the UK with all the income tax he will pay. Oh sorry forgot he moved just so that would not happen

[devilgas]

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re points - surely that shows that the competition is getting better? weren't there something like 6 or 8 different winners this year? and wasn't it prost that showed consistency is capable of winning a championship rather than out and out number of wins?

i do think that now lewis has got that critical first championship under his belt that the flood gates may well open, and to be perfectly honest, if a BRIT does go ahead and beat the 7 titles then i really don't mind. that said, if lewis were to adopt some of the tactics exhibited by schumacher then my mind may well change, just as it did towards MS.

[Ian]

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I think that was the best thing for the Honda. I also hope for Jenson that Honda can get it even half right for next year or he will end up another DC always the bridesmaid never the bride. Not so sure about the engine freeze as Renault was able to upgrade the engine so as to bring it up to match the rest. Also do not forget next year they will have a new button to play with, wonder if anyone will have a kitt style paint job. Oh and for those of you to young to know who or what Kitt was just Google Knight Rider that's what I did

Renault improved their aerodynamics, not the engine. Witness Ferrari-powered Toro Rosso out-gunning the works Renault-powered Red Bull team especially in the second half of the season...



Ian

[peter]

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The thing is will it happen again not lewis I mean one team being at the front for so long. The last 3 years tells us it may not happen again and if as they want ie all the teams getting stronger and not just the top 2 or 3 as we have it now it may happen that things switch around a lot more then in the past. Oh and from what I have seen lewis will not be slow in pulling a few stunts of his own if he thinks things are not going his way on or off the track. This is not meant to a bash lewis post either, yes he is wc now and that is why we watch this sport to see who is the best and has the better car and back up team. I just hope Ferrari will not mess things up next season and that they are again at the top of there game. Somewhere they have not been this season ie pit slip ups and the odd engine blow up or two.

[peter]

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Renault improved their aerodynamics, not the engine. Witness Ferrari-powered Toro Rosso out-gunning the works Renault-powered Red Bull team especially in the second half of the season...



Ian

Sorry Ian but I heard it the other day that they were able to make upgrades to the engine as it was found that they where down compared to the top teams. All the teams have been able to upgrade the the engine but only in certain ways which did not really work that is why the Renault team had the chance to do what they did.

[Ian]

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The thing is will it happen again not lewis I mean one team being at the front for so long. The last 3 years tells us it may not happen again and if as they want ie all the teams getting stronger and not just the top 2 or 3 as we have it now it may happen that things switch around a lot more then in the past. Oh and from what I have seen lewis will not be slow in pulling a few stunts of his own if he thinks things are not going his way on or off the track. This is not meant to a bash lewis post either, yes he is wc now and that is why we watch this sport to see who is the best and has the better car and back up team. I just hope Ferrari will not mess things up next season and that they are again at the top of there game. Somewhere they have not been this season ie pit slip ups and the odd engine blow up or two.

People say that it's much more competitive now than it was in the Schumacher era. I think it is slightly more competitive now, though the new season rule changes may favour the better-resourced teams once more.

McLaren and Williams were always winning races (most years), in fact if I count correctly, from 1993 Williams won three championships (Prost, Hill, Villeneuve), and McLaren two (Hakkinen x2), then Renault won two years with Alonso. Jordan and Stewart won a handful of races, too. Ferrari and Schumacher were always the most consistent of course.

Even if Hamilton starts to win consistently like Schumacher, he will do it with style and integrity that I felt was wanting with Schumacher. Hamilton has no desire to be a control freak within his team. He has no fear of a strong team mate and admits mistakes when he makes them - something Schumacher rarely did - even though he made lots of mistakes.

Maybe we will get bored with Hamilton eventually, but for completely different reasons than we're used to!

Ian

[peter]

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People say that it's much more competitive now than it was in the Schumacher era. I think it is slightly more competitive now, though the new season rule changes may favour the better-resourced teams once more.

McLaren and Williams were always winning races (most years), in fact if I count correctly, from 1993 Williams won three championships (Prost, Hill, Villeneuve), and McLaren two (Hakkinen x2), then Renault won two years with Alonso. Jordan and Stewart won a handful of races, too. Ferrari and Schumacher were always the most consistent of course.

Even if Hamilton starts to win consistently like Schumacher, he will do it with style and integrity that I felt was wanting with Schumacher. Hamilton has no desire to be a control freak within his team. He has no fear of a strong team mate and admits mistakes when he makes them - something Schumacher rarely did - even though he made lots of mistakes.

Maybe we will get bored with Hamilton eventually, but for completely different reasons than we're used to!

Ian

That's what I was saying if we go back to the 90s we had more teams winning which will really make it hard for one driver to match the way Schumacher won. I will not get into a schumacher did this or that we have been there before more then once I think. Lets just hope that all the teams who said that they had given up on this years cars to work on next years cars have done just that.

[JSR]

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When did this engine freeze start? If Honda are forced to go into next year with a complete turkey of an engine, then they may as well pull out and not bother with F1 at all. The same for the whole back third of the field. Then where will F1 be?

I think one of the most interesting drives of 2008 was Alonso. He demonstrated what can be done with a sub-par car and, by doing so, indicated that he could easily have got McLaren the WDC title last year if they hadn't treated him so shabbily.

Hopefully, all the changes next year will give all of the drivers a chance to show what they are capable of. Pretty much all of the F1 drivers have what it takes to win - it's just that they don't get to drive a McLaren or Ferrari.

The reason I feel more sorry for Massa than for nearly anyone else this year is because you know he's not going to get the chance to go for the WDC next year. If Raikonnen hadn't gone off the boil for so long this year, Massa would have been the one playing catch-up to Raikonnen. Presuming Kimi's back on form next year, Massa will be forever following him around again. Hamilton will get many more opportunities to go for the WDC because he's been the team leader/driver #1 for the last two years and will continue to be so. It is extremely unlikely that Massa will get another chance.

Losing the WDC even though he won more races than the winner must really stick in Massa's gut. Takes a brave man to hide it the way he's doing.