The new Canon 40D

[Ian]

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Oddly enough I would have leaned towards this opinion myself until I see that Canon have just announced the new G9 and have reinstated the Raw mode. I always suspected that they should not have taken it out of the G7. Granted it is a high end compact but it perhaps shows the weight of opinion for Raw in such cameras and Canon has listened.

Panasonic and Samsung have introduced more consumer compacts and superzooms with RAW capability, recently - so the trend is growing, not diminishing. Canon's G7 move to exclude RAW was, universally, considered a mistake and it has now been rectified with the G9.

Ian

[lumix]

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Panasonic and Samsung have introduced more consumer compacts and superzooms with RAW capability, recently - so the trend is growing, not diminishing. Canon's G7 move to exclude RAW was, universally, considered a mistake and it has now been rectified with the G9.

Ian

I've been doing my best to keep up with this debate, in between constant distractions, and may have missed something along the lines. My main question is - would having live-view stop you from purchasing this new toy? I think not. Also has Canons decision to include it increased their sales potencial? I'd say yes. Therefore if I'm not sadly mistaken every one wins as the more sales the cheaper the product can be marketed. So what's the big deal. My car has a cigarette lighter, but I don't use it. Nice car though.

[Andrew Thatcher]

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My car has a cigarette lighter, but I don't use it. Nice car though.

They be putting those on Cannons next. Im sure some tog may find a use for it.

[Ian]

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I've been doing my best to keep up with this debate, in between constant distractions, and may have missed something along the lines. My main question is - would having live-view stop you from purchasing this new toy? I think not. Also has Canons decision to include it increased their sales potencial? I'd say yes. Therefore if I'm not sadly mistaken every one wins as the more sales the cheaper the product can be marketed. So what's the big deal. My car has a cigarette lighter, but I don't use it. Nice car though.

Excellently put, Ron!

To steal your analogy, how about buying a car with satnav, but deciding you don't need it (and indeed you don't need satnav to drive a car for sure), so you won't use it, before you have actually tried to use it in the first place?

Ian

[Stephen]

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Excellently put, Ron!

To steal your analogy, how about buying a car with satnav, but deciding you don't need it (and indeed you don't need satnav to drive a car for sure), so you won't use it, before you have actually tried to use it in the first place?

Ian

Mmmmm there are plenty of folk who simply will not buy a Sat nav though. I doubt these people would readily buy a car with it already in either. There are some things I'd really like in a car though and the manufacturers are slow to incorporate them. I'm thinking of paddle gear change, I think they are a great concept and really work. I've used them, yet only a few cars have that option. But we digress, and are getting off topic

[lumix]

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Excellently put, Ron!

To steal your analogy, how about buying a car with satnav, but deciding you don't need it (and indeed you don't need satnav to drive a car for sure), so you won't use it, before you have actually tried to use it in the first place?

Ian

Don't get me wrong here but everyone seems to think Canon should build Cameras to ones personal requirements. Perhaps Canon could do just that. You tell them what you want and they build it for you. Nice thought but an expensive way of having it meet just your requirements. Oh and order today take delivery sometime in 2010.

[Patrick]

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Excellently put, Ron!

To steal your analogy, how about buying a car with satnav, but deciding you don't need it (and indeed you don't need satnav to drive a car for sure), so you won't use it, before you have actually tried to use it in the first place?

Ian

SatNav in a camera is something that will happen in the future, in fact don't Hasselblad have a camera with a system that shows the location an image was taken as well as time and all the other stuff.
For a pro photographers I can see a real use for such a feature.

Patrick

[yoshi]

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I' do like to have both the navi (sat seems to be preferable but must be too expensive - normal one is just fine for me) and the paddle shift or steermatic shift in my next car as well.

A camera with navi and a microwave oven seems to be ideal for my style of taking pictures. A cigarette lighter? - I'm sure I would have appreciated it until a year ago but no more.

sorry for another off-the topic posting but ...
yoshi

[cowcrzy06]

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Don't get me wrong here but everyone seems to think Canon should build Cameras to ones personal requirements. Perhaps Canon could do just that. You tell them what you want and they build it for you. Nice thought but an expensive way of having it meet just your requirements. Oh and order today take delivery sometime in 2010.

Ron,
Dell builds computers to ones requirements daily. Why not With cameras? I believe something like that would sacrifice quality for quantity. In my opinion many products today do this type of thing. The publics lack of patience also adds to this lack of quality. I am not saying that Canon is inferior, far from it. At one point it is going to not be a camera anymore and will become something else if we keep adding features to it.

[lumix]

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Ron,
Dell builds computers to ones requirements daily. Why not With cameras? I believe something like that would sacrifice quality for quantity. In my opinion many products today do this type of thing. The publics lack of patience also adds to this lack of quality. I am not saying that Canon is inferior, far from it. At one point it is going to not be a camera anymore and will become something else if we keep adding features to it.

It's all part of this crazy mixed up world we live in. Just a short time ago one of my relatives was showing me their new super mobile phone with built in camera. He looked a bit puzzled when I said I was getting a new camera that you could make phone-calls on.

[Patrick]

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My main question is - would having live-view stop you from purchasing this new toy? I think not. Also has Canons decision to include it increased their sales potencial? I'd say yes.

Sorry disagree, I don't believe it will affect sales for a camera selling into this level of the market one way or the other.

The adding of live view certainly won't put me off buying the 40D, and neither will most of the people I know want to change their camera to get live view. Its simply not important enough to get someone excited about it. Its on the camera so OK, if it isn't well OK again, certainly would not be seen as a startling omission if it wasn't there.
I'm fare more influenced by improved quality, the 14 bit processing of the image, less noise, quicker operation, better power management for extended battery life, the larger screen to view the captured image will be nice, and the fact its reputed to be a sturdier build.

Patrick

[Ian]

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My point is that there are people who laugh at satnav users and joke about them being taken into farmers' fields, etc., but does that mean satnav is really useless?

I'm not so convinced by paddle gear changes. I've driven a mini (new style) and an Alfa with the steering wheel gearshift and I can't say it's won me over - but at least I tried!

Ian

[Bearface]

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I've been doing my best to keep up with this debate, in between constant distractions, and may have missed something along the lines. My main question is - would having live-view stop you from purchasing this new toy? I think not.

I don't think you've missed anything Ron, other than that there are those of us who don't see the benefits of Live View in the context of DSLR photography. Rather like you not seeing the attraction of certain types of fine art styles in the context of what you deem to be true photography...

I'll probably buy a 1Ds Mk3 in due course, but I still won't see the point and I certainly can't think of any reason why I'd want to use Live View, unless my viewfinder broke while I was working, perhaps. TBH though, I'd probably switch bodies before I'd choose to rely on a 230,000 pixel, 3" display...

Also has Canons decision to include it increased their sales potencial? I'd say yes. Therefore if I'm not sadly mistaken every one wins as the more sales the cheaper the product can be marketed. So what's the big deal. My car has a cigarette lighter, but I don't use it. Nice car though.

[Bearface]

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My point is that there are people who laugh at satnav users and joke about them being taken into farmers' fields, etc., but does that mean satnav is really useless?

I'm not so convinced by paddle gear changes. I've driven a mini (new style) and an Alfa with the steering wheel gearshift and I can't say it's won me over - but at least I tried!

Ian

Alfa's selespeed transmission is supposed to be terrible, and the Mini version isn't universally praised either. Try an Audi DSG gearbox and you'll be fighting the desire to own one. Possibly...

Do you honestly think that by trying the Live View on a Canon DSLR that I'll suddenly see things differently? I already know what a decent LCD preview screen looks like compared to a viewfinder, so why the emphasis on trying it out? I use my DSLRs as DSLRs because they're designed to be used as such to enable users to get the most out of their focusing and compositions; if I want to focus or compose with a flat, virtual image I'll use a compact, but not if my livelihood depends on it.

[lumix]

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I don't think you've missed anything Ron, other than that there are those of us who don't see the benefits of Live View in the context of DSLR photography. Rather like you not seeing the attraction of certain types of fine art styles in the context of what you deem to be true photography...

One thing I didn't miss is that you don't want live-view. I think you have made that obvious. Your other comment about me not appreciating Fine Art makes you sound just like the wife who digs up old arguments to fuel the current one. My point was that Canon have aimed this particular toy at the general market, not exclusively the Pro market. There are a lot of very rich armatures out there that will enjoy the addition of live-view on their camera. Ok it's not for you but then again I doubt very much that you would use this class of camera for your work.