Motorcycle Show - Up Close and Personal

[Nicholas]

Hello All,

Shot this Motorcycle show last September 2006.

I wanted to obtain a different view of the show. This series is the first of 3 of my 'different' views of a motorcycle show.

Sony R-1, built-in flash ( due to deep sunshine shadows ), ISO 200, Aperture priority.

I hope you find them interesting and a sort of historical record.

( I also hope you find that I was holding my belly in on the few frames where I am visible in the reflections ):

http://nickphoto123.smugmug.com/gallery/2405341/1/126069770

Regards,

Nicholas

[Bearface]

Re: Motorcycle Show - Up Close and Personal

Hi Nicholas,

Just a suggestion of course, but would you consider posting the shots in your gallery here? That way more of us will see them by default and of course people will be able to comment or leave ratings if they choose. Oh, and you'll be able to link them more easily to any threads you're involved in here, too.

You have a gallery here, so you may as well use it

[Nicholas]

Re: Motorcycle Show - Up Close and Personal

Hello,

If I wanted comments I would have used the critique forum.

I did want to share with you the essence of a motorcycle show's attraction.

The fact that your response and concern is where and how I post my images rather than the subject, indicates that I failed in my photographic purpose.

I regret that you were not 'grabbed' by the fantastic logos of which my images did not do justice.

This is valuable feedback.

Sincerely,

Nicholas

[Ian]

Re: Motorcycle Show - Up Close and Personal

Hi Nicholas,

I can see you had a wonderful time at the show. Purely from a personal point of view, I became interested in bikes in my teens but only for a year or so and never got as far as owning one. Cars quickly became my passion and this has remained the case ever since, for thirty years or so until now.

But one thing that, I have to say, that puts me off is the copyright watermark right through the middle of each picture. I know from previous conversations that you are very particular about the threat of photo theft online, but if you really want people to enjoy your photography, I feel you are going to have to come to terms with the fact that you have already become a victim by 'protecting' your pictures in this way by sacrificing the enjoyment of others viewing your pictures, or you rise above the potential threat of the pirates and give your photography the access that I think it deserves to the discerning and appreciative viewer.

Ian

[Bearface]

Re: Motorcycle Show - Up Close and Personal

Hello,

If I wanted comments I would have used the critique forum.

I did want to share with you the essence of a motorcycle show's attraction.

The fact that your response and concern is where and how I post my images rather than the subject, indicates that I failed in my photographic purpose.

I regret that you were not 'grabbed' by the fantastic logos of which my images did not do justice.

This is valuable feedback.

Sincerely,

Nicholas

I didn't offer any feedback, just a suggestion on how you might benefit from this site and how others here would be able to readily access and view your images.

On the one hand there's the suggestion that you didn't want comments ("If I wanted comments I would have used the critique forum"), and on the other you're using unnecessary sarcasm to imply that because I didn't immediately comment on your images, my suggestion was in some way a negative critique of that work. Sorry, but if that isn't twisting matters out of all proportion, I don't know what is

No need to regret anything Nicholas, but you might in future consider polite suggestions in the spirit they are intended.

[Nicholas]

Re: Motorcycle Show - Up Close and Personal

Hello Ian,

As time has gone by, I am sure you know how much I appreciate your web site from this side of my monitor.

A few years ago I was aksed to shoot a bridal party whose photog did not show. This was at a botanical garden.

After making sure they didn't have or cause a problem with their photog, he was simply no responding to them, I agreed to help them.
We set terms and my next qustion was to the groom:
"How long do you have on the lomo?".
He replied,"I don't know". he then ran to his limo driver and came back to me and said he had ten minutes to spare in the garden.
I set everyone up and in total took about 30 images. About 24 were keepers, eyes, smiles, etc. were ok.
I posted them on my site, he ordered and thanked me for 'saving his special day'. I printed the order, he never responded to my calls, emails, etc. I have the print package on my shelf at this moment.
No one else took pictures with me. My images were of the highest caliber, IMHO. He must have copied the images from my site and used them to his satisfaction.
Recently I had a few shoots, the images of each turned out very well and no one bought. I just started using the watermark. And on a recent shoot made sales. I don't know if one is related to the other, but I can't afford to take the risk. I now will do this on my galleries so not to offend a client if they seeother gallerieswithout watermarks.

Have you read about the Fuji S5?

Nicholas

[Ian]

Re: Motorcycle Show - Up Close and Personal

Hi Tim, I'm not so sure Nicholas meant to sound sarcastic - but I can see why you sensed sarcasm. In fact, he did say that the feedback was useful. I think it was a sincere comment. Maybe Nicholas can confirm this?

Ian

[Nicholas]

Re: Motorcycle Show - Up Close and Personal

Hello Ian,

My words are as I wrote them.

If I request photogs ( those who visit DPNow ) to view my photos and one photog writes back without any reference to the subject of my images,
either the responder is dead at his keyboard or my images woefully miss the mark.

Either way, this constitutes good feedback for me as a photographer.

However in this case It must be my images that miss the mark.

( for those with thin skin the line above starting with 'either' is an attempt at humor. )

Still thinking about your watermark observations,
perhaps I should present them more artistically. Thank you Ian.

Nicholas

[Nicholas]

Re: Motorcycle Show - Up Close and Personal

Hello again Ian,

I changed my watermark at your suggestion.

I think it is less intrusive but is still visible:

http://nickphoto123.smugmug.com/gallery/2405341

Thanks for your help,

Nicholas

[Bearface]

Re: Motorcycle Show - Up Close and Personal

If I request photogs ( those who visit DPNow ) to view my photos and one photog writes back without any reference to the subject of my images,
either the responder is dead at his keyboard or my images woefully miss the mark.

So what you're saying is that anyone responding to your threads either needs to specifically follow your requests, or they must be "dead at their keyboards"..? Well that's certainly an interesting theory, but in actual fact I was suggesting a valid way of increasing interest (from DPNow members) in your images, without them actually having to leave this website to do so.

Either way, this constitutes good feedback for me as a photographer.

However in this case It must be my images that miss the mark.

( for those with thin skin the line above starting with 'either' is an attempt at humor. )

You can of course continue to reach these baseless conclusions as you see fit, but I'd suggest you'd have more to gain by keeping an open mind as to people's intentions. As for the humour, well it's probably best if I don't comment further...

[Ian]

Re: Motorcycle Show - Up Close and Personal

Hello Ian,

As time has gone by, I am sure you know how much I appreciate your web site from this side of my monitor.

A few years ago I was aksed to shoot a bridal party whose photog did not show. This was at a botanical garden.

After making sure they didn't have or cause a problem with their photog, he was simply no responding to them, I agreed to help them.
We set terms and my next qustion was to the groom:
"How long do you have on the lomo?".
He replied,"I don't know". he then ran to his limo driver and came back to me and said he had ten minutes to spare in the garden.
I set everyone up and in total took about 30 images. About 24 were keepers, eyes, smiles, etc. were ok.
I posted them on my site, he ordered and thanked me for 'saving his special day'. I printed the order, he never responded to my calls, emails, etc. I have the print package on my shelf at this moment.
No one else took pictures with me. My images were of the highest caliber, IMHO. He must have copied the images from my site and used them to his satisfaction.
Recently I had a few shoots, the images of each turned out very well and no one bought. I just started using the watermark. And on a recent shoot made sales. I don't know if one is related to the other, but I can't afford to take the risk. I now will do this on my galleries so not to offend a client if they seeother gallerieswithout watermarks.

Have you read about the Fuji S5?

Nicholas

I don't doubt that your experience has sapped your trust, but by being so protective of your pictures it places big limits on the ability of others to appreciate your photography.

I don't believe for an instant that the presence of watermarks was the deciding factor in favour of generating sales of any of your pictures. I'm sure using watermarks will put some potential customers off.

Also, I don't think you should be as concerned as you seem to be - you can't make good quality prints from web-resolution images. Stealing web-quality images is unacceptable, of course, but the crime is far from comparable in degree than stealing prints or negatives.

It doesn't look like you will change your mind, which I feel is a shame, but so be it. But I would ask you, please, not to be disrespectful to another forum member who was simply and honourably suggesting a way of getting a better response from the forum, based, I might add, on good sense and the evidence of the way most people successfully display their pictures here.

Ian

[Nicholas]

Re: Motorcycle Show - Up Close and Personal

Ian said:

"It doesn't look like you will change your mind, which I feel is a shame, but so be it."

Ian, You missed my post above. I like to re-read a thread before I reply.

I dis-respect no body.

Goodbye, Nicholas