SOLVED LR doesn't "see" certain images

[stillwatergal]

LR (2.4) says that my Master Catalog contains 13264 photos. When I highlight that line, LR says it is displaying only 13224 photos. I have synced the entire catalog a number of times and there now no photos are reported as new and needing to be imported, or missing. I see no ?'s on images.

My setup is as follows on my Mac OS X 10.5.7 with external HD dedicated to back up:

On my HD, in my Mac home folder, I have a LR folder which has 3 subfolders (working catalogs, working exports and working originals). Working Originals in where I keep my images. Working Originals contains 20 + folders. Those folders have no subfolders. For all but 2 of them LR "sees" all the images each contains. Of course, the 2 with problems are very large. One is named "2008 Morocco" where LR does not "see" 39 images and one is named "2008 General" where LR does not "see" 1(one) image. I have separated synced those specific folders... nothing changes.

I have no idea what is going on here. I have no idea how to resolve this . All ideas and thoughts are welcome!

thanks!

Stephanie

[Stephen]

Re: LR doesn't "see" certain images

Stephanie, I wonder if the photos that LR is not seeing are ones that you have not actually imported. That would be the easy answer but sometimes pictures get saved from elsewhere in the same folder under a different name and they don't appear in the LR catalogue. Alternatively, could it be that you have deleted previews from the catalogue but not from the HD. So that LR no longer counts them in the catalogue but they remain in the folder on the HD.

[rogleale]

Re: LR doesn't "see" certain images

Hi Stephanie,

Have you stacked any pictures?

Roger

[Stephen]

Re: LR doesn't "see" certain images

Hi Stephanie,

Have you stacked any pictures?

Roger

Roger, in my experience stacking images will not reduce the number of photos in the catalogue. Have you found that it does?

[rogleale]

Re: LR doesn't "see" certain images

Hi Stephen,

In fact I may be way off line on this because I haven't used LR much for a long time now. However, there was a question about this subject in the LR forum, where some pictures were not being seen when they were stacked, if they had been given different file names. The discussion was HERE.
The instant full screen and instant zoom to 100 or 200% available in Bridge won me over!

Roger

[Stephen]

Re: LR doesn't "see" certain images

Hi Stephen,

In fact I may be way off line on this because I haven't used LR much for a long time now. However, there was a question about this subject in the LR forum, where some pictures were not being seen when they were stacked, if they had been given different file names. The discussion was HERE.
The instant full screen and instant zoom to 100 or 200% available in Bridge won me over!

Roger

I'll take a look at that Roger.
Regarding the instant zoom, I'm a little confused as Lightroom has the same facility 1:1, 1:2, 1:3 etc. etc. instantly. I do however rather like the magnifier tool in Bridge.

[Ian]

Re: LR doesn't "see" certain images

Are these JPEGs or RAW files mainly? I wonder if there is a small number of RAW and JPEG shots where two files are only counted as one?

Ian

[stillwatergal]

Re: LR doesn't "see" certain images

Thanks!! As I worked my way through all of your thoughts, one of the first things that I did was to try unstacking one image. BINGO! LR "saw" an extra image. Next I just unstacked all images and now all my number mesh. I'm delighted to have solved the problem that was never a problem, but why should this happen?
Stephanie

[rogleale]

Re: LR doesn't "see" certain images

Hi Stephanie,

Glad to hear that it is sorted. For my future reference I'd like to know if the stacked files that caused the difference all had the same file name or not. Had you changed the file names, maybe a tiff or a jpg included with raws in a stack?

Roger

[stillwatergal]

Re: LR doesn't "see" certain images

All (except maybe one or 2 virtual copies that had been individually modified) had a file number that differed in some respect or other from the others in the group... a DNG and a PSD; a group of PSDs done for different printer profiles with the paper indicated in the title etc along with the original DNG. Why would that matter? And why does LR only count the first file in a stack?
I'd like to understand it (if possible <g>)
Stephanie

[rogleale]

Re: LR doesn't &quot;see&quot; certain images

Hi Stephanie,

This is very much an on-going debate, and there are two schools of thought on it. One lot thinks that a stack should be like a pile of pictures on your desk - only the top one visible for LR to find, and the other school says that LR should be able to search inside stacks.
The clue that some images are not found by LR, even they are in the data base, is that LR says 'Displaying' 13224 images, and not the full catalogue number of 13264. Who knows? It may be made possible to search inside stacks in a future issue.
My personal approach is to think of Stacking as just a way of reducing the clutter when in grid view in Library mode, and so far I have had no problem in recalling images that want to see because I tend to give the final version of an image a descriptive name, and make sure that it is at the top of the stack. For very complicated image stacks I think that a collection may be a better method.

Just my penn'orth,

Roger

[Ian]

Re: LR doesn't &quot;see&quot; certain images

Hi Stephanie,

This is very much an on-going debate, and there are two schools of thought on it. One lot thinks that a stack should be like a pile of pictures on your desk - only the top one visible for LR to find, and the other school says that LR should be able to search inside stacks.
The clue that some images are not found by LR, even they are in the data base, is that LR says 'Displaying' 13224 images, and not the full catalogue number of 13264. Who knows? It may be made possible to search inside stacks in a future issue.
My personal approach is to think of Stacking as just a way of reducing the clutter when in grid view in Library mode, and so far I have had no problem in recalling images that want to see because I tend to give the final version of an image a descriptive name, and make sure that it is at the top of the stack. For very complicated image stacks I think that a collection may be a better method.

Just my penn'orth,

Roger

I think you are right, and I'd only use stacks for practically identical sets of images, maybe if they are a sequence of bracketed shots, for example. If the key word tags for such sequences of images would be identical, then stacking them would seem sensible. My complaint about stacking in Lightroom is that thatt indicator that a grid view thumbnail represents a stack is too subtle - so it's easy to miss.

Collections look more flexible and less restrictive.

Just in case anyone was wondering, if you import an image that has RAW and JPEG versions, only the RAW version is counted and displayed, although the default is for both to be imported physically (if you are moving the files during the import).

Ian

[stillwatergal]

Re: LR doesn't &quot;see&quot; certain images

Thanks... It's nice to know what's going on. I only wish the books I have were clear on the point :-(. Also thanks for the tip on the RAW/JPEG situation
Stephanie

[Ian]

Re: LR doesn't &quot;see&quot; certain images

Glad we could all be of help, Stephanie. Is there anything else we can help you with?

We'd all love to see some of you photography of course - what are your particular interests and styles?

Ian

[stillwatergal]

Re: LR doesn't &quot;see&quot; certain images

Thanks Ian...
Interests are travel, NYC, people and what I find when I travel.
You can see a few of my images at www.stephaniebrandphotography.com.
Best,
Stephanie