Fuji S5

[bill jarvis]

Re: Fuji S5

Stu (Goatsmilkuk) made some perfectly valid observations, and followed through with some pertinent suggestions and so the feedback should've been courteously and gratefully received.

Should it?
Why do you need to get close to every subject, isn't that the purpose of long focal length lenses?
I don't mind constructive criticism, I really don't need lessons in the patently obvious.
Thanks for your input.

bill

[Bearface]

Re: Fuji S5

Should it?
Why do you need to get close to every subject, isn't that the purpose of long focal length lenses?
I don't mind constructive criticism, I really don't need lessons in the patently obvious.
Thanks for your input.

bill

Constructive criticism by definition is not necessarily that which you agree with, but that which is offered helpfully with the best intentions. You are never obligated to take any such advice, but you are morally obligated to courteously and gratefully recieve it.

Stu did not (quite obviously) have the benefit of your intimate knowledge of the circumstances surrounding the shot in question, but then you didn't give too much information about it in the first place. Considering this and the fact that his intentions were clearly honourable, it is not unreasonable for anyone to expect you to remain courteous, particularly when you're new to a forum and have openly asked for feedback. The "I know exactly what I'm doing and therefore have no use for your words of wisdom..." might serve you well in some situations, but here we share our views openly and without the need for justification of ranking or status.

In future (if you continue to feel that your methods and techniques are beyond reproach), perhaps you should post in the "Eye of the Camera" or generic DSLR discussion forums, specifically stating that you do not wish to receive criticism or suggestion on improvement.

"...isn't that the purpose of long focal length lenses?"

Normally yes, but in this case the results suggested otherwise which is presumably why the suggestions were made. For the record - and in the context of you posting in a critique forum - I felt that Stu's comments were right on the money.

[Tinka]

Re: Fuji S5

Well put Bearface,
If a mere amateur may offer his observations on the image, the image is a run of the mill image of a pigeon, a practice image, nothing stands out as extraordinary, it is a fairly good image, which in my limited experience opinion looks as if it has had extra blur filtering applied around the edges in post processing, it is a busy and cluttered image and holds the attention only briefly.

[bill jarvis]

Re: Fuji S5

I felt that Stu's comments were right on the money.

So you felt the shot was rushed, why?
What else could have been acheived by not "rushing" the shot.
You also believe the branches were blurred, which they were, how could this be avoided, given the circumstances?
The question of getting closer, has already been dealt with.


bill

PS
I have been contributing to this forum on and off for a few years.

[bill jarvis]

Re: Fuji S5

Well put Bearface,
the image is a run of the mill image of a pigeon, a practice image, nothing stands out as

It is and it was.
It was posted merely as an example of an image from a new camera, hence the comment in my first post "This is one of the first images with the Fuji".
I hope to see some more interesting shots from yourself at some point.

HTH

bill

[bill jarvis]

Re: Fuji S5

but you are morally obligated to courteously and gratefully recieve it.

Am I?
Am I also to be expected to gratefully receive snide PMs from this person?
I respond like for like.

bill

[Bearface]

Re: Fuji S5

So you felt the shot was rushed, why?
What could have been acheived by not "rushing" the shot.
You also believe the branches were blurred, which they were, how could this be avoided, given the circumstances?
The question of getting closer, has already been dealt with.


bill

Bill, you've blatantly disregarded most of of my previous posts and instead attempted to steer this discussion in the direction of your image and it's failings. Given the dismissiveness with which you've already treated critique on your work and in addition your apparent refusual to acknowledge (and respect) the opinions of others, I'm hardly about to waste my time and energy providing you with my own views of your shot. Suffice to say that for various reasons, it doesn't make the grade, at least not for me.

Should you wish to post any further images for constructive feedback (from anyone, regardless of experience or ability), then I'm sure that many here (myself included) will be happy to oblige. On this occasion I'm limiting myself to politely advising you that your hostility in response to fair and considered feedback is unacceptable.

PS
I have been contributing to this forum on and off for a few years.

Then you'll be familiar with the need for a courteous and respectful approach to your fellow users.

[Bearface]

Re: Fuji S5

Am I?
Am I also to be expected to gratefully receive snide PMs from this person?
I respond like for like.

bill

Bill, enough is enough. You are expected to treat members here with courtesy and respect in the forums and this policy is not open to discussion. If you wish to conduct a private debate, then you are free to do so in the knowledge that reports of abuse or inappropriate behaviour will be dealt with by the administration.

We were discussing your conduct in the context of this thread; if you have a complaint to make regarding any private mail from members here, please address it to myself, Pol, Stephen or CoupeKid and should it be necessary, we will address the matter.

[bill jarvis]

Re: Fuji S5

Bill, you've blatantly disregarded most of of my previous posts and instead attempted to steer this discussion in the direction of your image and it's failings. Given the dismissiveness with which you've already treated critique on your work and in addition your apparent refusual to acknowledge (and respect) the opinions of others, I'm hardly about to waste my time and energy providing you with my own views of your shot. Suffice to say that for various reasons, it doesn't make the grade, at least not for me.

Should you wish to post any further images for constructive feedback (from anyone, regardless of experience or ability), then I'm sure that many here (myself included) will be happy to oblige. On this occasion I'm limiting myself to politely advising you that your hostility in response to fair and considered feedback is unacceptable.



Then you'll be familiar with the need for a courteous and respectful approach to your fellow users.

And you've blatantly refused to answer my points.
You are the one who said "Stu (Goatsmilkuk) made some perfectly valid observations, and followed through with some pertinent suggestions".
Now I'm asking you for your reasons as to why you believe them to be so.
As I suspected, you were merely attempting a personal attack on myself and had no intentions of explaining yourself.
Nothing new on forums, I'm afraid.

bill

[Bearface]

Re: Fuji S5

And you've blatantly refused to answer my points.

That's about the size of it Bill, yes. Similarly when my eight year-old daughter throws a tantrum and demands my attention, I ignore her until she calms down and addresses me appropriately. I have absolutely no intention of providing you with my personal insights into your shot, for reasons I have already expressed very clearly.

You are the one who said [I]"Stu (Goatsmilkuk) made some perfectly valid As I suspected, you were merely attempting a personal attack on myself and had no intentions of explaining yourself.
Nothing new on forums, I'm afraid.

Bill please read my post immediately preceding this one. As a fellow user and a moderator here, I found your treatment of Stu's feedback unacceptable and I expressed this in a rational and polite manner. Now that you have refused to listen or acknowledge this polite message I am now asking you to calm down and take heed of the advice I have given you.

Unecessary confrontation and rudeness is nothing new in forums either, although fortunately we experience very little of it here. We intend to keep it that way with or without your assistance.

[bill jarvis]

Re: Fuji S5

That's about the size of it Bill, yes. Similarly when my eight year-old daughter throws a tantrum and demands my attention, I ignore her until she calms down and addresses me appropriately.

So you demand to be addressed properly, yet feel that you have no need to explain your somewhat strange point of view?
You know as well as I do, you have no answers to my questions and are using personal attack in an effort to divert from your inadequacy to do so.

bill

[Bearface]

Re: Fuji S5

So you demand to be addressed properly, yet feel that you have no need to explain your somewhat strange point of view?

Yes.

You know as well as I do, you have no answers to my questions and are using personal attack in an effort to divert from your inadequacy to do so.

bill

You're right of course; in the face of such tricky questioning on a subject-matter I have no understanding of, I'm using a personal attack in a bid to divert attention from my own inadequcies

Feel better now..?

[bill jarvis]

Re: Fuji S5

Yes Bill, you are right on all counts

What's new?

bill

[Tinka]

Re: Fuji S5

You sure are living up to your avatar Bill

[bill jarvis]

Re: Fuji S5

Yes.



You're right of course; in the face of such tricky questioning on a subject-matter I have no understanding of, I'm using a personal attack in a bid to divert attention from my own inadequcies

Feel better now..?

Why did you alter your post after I'd responded to it?
It now looks as if I've altered your post in the quotes box.

bill