River Welland - Spalding

[jonesgj]

One of my last shots with my E-3. Going for a picture postcard look.

I like the shot - what do you think?

Please feel free to comment and rate photo in the Gallery if you wish. I love to browse the gallery and rate and comment the ones I like the most.



Camera OLYMPUS IMAGING CORP. E-3
Exposure 0.013 sec (1/80)
Aperture f/22.0
Focal Length 54 mm
ISO Speed 400
Exposure Bias 0 EV
Lens 14.0-54.0 mm f/2.8-3.5

[Stephen]

Re: River Welland - Spalding

One of my last shots with my E-3. Going for a picture postcard look.

I like the shot - what do you think?

Please feel free to comment and rate photo in the Gallery if you wish. I love to browse the gallery and rate and comment the ones I like the most.



Camera OLYMPUS IMAGING CORP. E-3
Exposure 0.013 sec (1/80)
Aperture f/22.0
Focal Length 54 mm
ISO Speed 400
Exposure Bias 0 EV
Lens 14.0-54.0 mm f/2.8-3.5

Hi Graydon, you have just about summed up the feel of the picture in so far as its a picture postcard spring scene. So you have fulfilled what you set out to do I suppose. The Daffodils and Willow trees that have come into leaf definitely give that spring feel and the river and footbridge are two more elements that fit the formula.

The photo however, doesn't excite and is not dynamic in any way, there is nothing that tests the senses or stimulates the imagination. Consequently of course the average person looking at it would not be tempted to dwell long I feel.

From a technical point of view I'm wondering why you used f22 especially as you were using aperture priority. I think you could have got away with f11 and this would have given you a faster shutter speed to work with, though I may have also been inclined to use a slower ISO Finally I notice the colour space is Adobe 1998 and so its quite possible that most people viewing this will see the colours slightly muted.

[Jocelyn Walker]

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A lovely setting, however more foreground interest perhaps would've held my attention longer! Maybe using the daffodils to better advantage! Stephen suggests that by using Adobe 1998 most viewers would see a more muted version! On my screen the colour yellow seems overpowering in the grass, willows & daffodils! There seems to be more yellow in the grass than green!

[Ian]

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I agree with Stephen that f/22 is of no benefit and actually softens the image through diffraction (on Four Thirds this starts as wide as f/5.6 although is only really noticeable at around f/11 and beyond.

At f/11 the hyperfocal distance (the closest that can be considered in focus at the same time as the horizon being in focus at the same time) is around 56 feet. At f/22, it's still nearly 30 feet.

What distracts me is the cars through the trees so I might have re-framed by movinhg to the right a bit if possible, using vertical format and so losing some of the left side which doesn't interest so much, and getting more of the foreground daffs in the frame. I wouldn't worry if the daffs were slightly out of focus - it's the bridge and the willows that really need to be sharp for this composition.

Ian

[jonesgj]

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Thanks for the feedback guys; very interesting.

F22 ... Well I was playing around with the ISO and Apertue, and it so happened this one was my favoruite shot, not because of the settings, but of other things. That said I have taken on board what you have said. I was trying to see what was the sharpest setting but ended up just enjoying the picture. Does anyone else find it a problem seeing what's in focus and whats not in bright sunlight on the small LCD?

Yellowish greens? Not sure I've noticed it on my monitor or prints, but I'll check the files.

Forground interest ... I wanted more of the daffs

Yes the cars; in the end decided this one was okayish but will consider trying a different position next time.

Colour space issue - Would like to learn more about that.

Well I'll have another go next year!

[Ian]

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Hi Graydon,

My article on web colour should help:

http://dpnow.com/7201.html

Basically, Adobe RGB colour space is wide, and usually wider than a typical monitor's display gamut. On top of that many web browsers don't colour manage, so colour is reproduced inaccurately.

sRGB minimises this problem, but there can still be visible colour shifts when viewing on web browsers that don't support colour management.

Ian

[Stephen]

Re: River Welland - Spalding

I think it will be fair to say that your camera will record images in either Adobe 1998 or sRGB. There will no doubt be some who disagree with me, but its my opinion that its best to set your camera to record in sRGB

[Ian]

Re: River Welland - Spalding

I think it will be fair to say that your camera will record images in either Adobe 1998 or sRGB. There will no doubt be some who disagree with me, but its my opinion that its best to set your camera to record in sRGB

Even better, shoot in RAW and then the sRGB/Adobe RGB question goes away until you process and export your picture.

Ian

[jonesgj]

Re: River Welland - Spalding

Even better, shoot in RAW and then the sRGB/Adobe RGB question goes away until you process and export your picture.

Ian

Ian,

I only shoot raw now, so it sounds as though there must be an option somewhere - in Adobe Camera Raw? .... I was just about to get the camera and see where the option was: I knew where it was on the E3 and never changed it. I'll check ACR first

Thanks

[jonesgj]

Re: River Welland - Spalding

Found options:

ColorMatch RGB
ProPhoto RGB
and
sRGB IEC61966-2.1

[jonesgj]

Re: River Welland - Spalding

I've now started reading up on exposure, defraction and how to check when this becomes a problem on my Lenses. Well, I have spent a lot of time and had a lot of fun picking up snippets here and there, and your comments have inspired me to look a little deeper.

I have a book by Bryan Peterson and AP this week also has some interesting stuff.

Kind regards

[Autumn]

Re: River Welland - Spalding

A lovely setting, however more foreground interest perhaps would've held my attention longer! Maybe using the daffodils to better advantage! Stephen suggests that by using Adobe 1998 most viewers would see a more muted version! On my screen the colour yellow seems overpowering in the grass, willows & daffodils! There seems to be more yellow in the grass than green!

I have to agree with you here Jocelyn. The yellows hit me in the eye and don't seem at all natural. The scene it self is as you wanted. I always like spring scenes particuarly containing daffodils.

[Ian]

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On my monitor the greens are more muted when viewing in IE8. The saturation does looked over done in FireFox with colour management switched on.

This would suggest that the processing has been adjusted to suite IE8, possibly.

Ian