For all you none Schumacher/Ferrari fans

[peter]

Well here you go guys get your teeth into this one,I may keep my head down for a few days

http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4555944,00.html

[JSR]

Re: For all you none Schumacher/Ferrari fans

I don't usually follow the news off-season but I've just been reading up on Bernie's rather radical idea that the man who wins the most races should win the WDC. Had he come up with that a year earlier, Hamilton would not be the WDC today.

Funny how much controversy still reigns during the off-season, isn't it?

[Ian]

Re: For all you none Schumacher/Ferrari fans

I don't usually follow the news off-season but I've just been reading up on Bernie's rather radical idea that the man who wins the most races should win the WDC. Had he come up with that a year earlier, Hamilton would not be the WDC today.

Funny how much controversy still reigns during the off-season, isn't it?

If the rules had been that way, then the race strategies by all the teams would have been different and the actual winnning tally would probably have been different, so who know what would have happened

Ian

[JSR]

Re: For all you none Schumacher/Ferrari fans

If the rules had been that way, then the race strategies by all the teams would have been different and the actual winnning tally would probably have been different, so who know what would have happened

Ian

Are you saying that the usual race strategy is not to try and win the races? That sounds to me the very thing that Bernie wants to change.

While his "medals" idea does sound ludicrous (I agree with Eddie Jordan that the back markers and midfield need to be able to aim for something - even if that's a single point at 8th place), I do see Bernie's side of it in that we might have got a better final race if Hamilton hadn't been content to meander around slowly for fear of getting knocked out. Hamilton should be up battling for the race win, otherwise it's a waste of a good car.

I've said before that, alleged and perceived controversies aside, it's a very strange state of affairs to be in the position that the guy who won the most races *isn't* the WDC. Surely the best F1 driver should be the guy who won the most races? It shouldn't be that the WDC could conceivably be won by someone who hasn't won a single race all year, but 2008 shows that this is the direction we're heading in.

I don't know what the answer is but I do think that more prestige should come from the race win.

[Ian]

Re: For all you none Schumacher/Ferrari fans

Are you saying that the usual race strategy is not to try and win the races? That sounds to me the very thing that Bernie wants to change.

While his "medals" idea does sound ludicrous (I agree with Eddie Jordan that the back markers and midfield need to be able to aim for something - even if that's a single point at 8th place), I do see Bernie's side of it in that we might have got a better final race if Hamilton hadn't been content to meander around slowly for fear of getting knocked out. Hamilton should be up battling for the race win, otherwise it's a waste of a good car.

I've said before that, alleged and perceived controversies aside, it's a very strange state of affairs to be in the position that the guy who won the most races *isn't* the WDC. Surely the best F1 driver should be the guy who won the most races? It shouldn't be that the WDC could conceivably be won by someone who hasn't won a single race all year, but 2008 shows that this is the direction we're heading in.

I don't know what the answer is but I do think that more prestige should come from the race win.

Well, in the first half of the season the priority is to win races, but in the second half the leaders are usually trying to consolidate their positions, often playing safe for points rather than wins.

If the strategies wouldn't be different why suggest a different criteria for the championship? Bernie wants to make the racing more exciting after all.

Ian

Ian

[JSR]

Re: For all you none Schumacher/Ferrari fans

Well, in the first half of the season the priority is to win races, but in the second half the leaders are usually trying to consolidate their positions, often playing safe for points rather than wins.

If the strategies wouldn't be different why suggest a different criteria for the championship? Bernie wants to make the racing more exciting after all.

Ian

I'm not saying that the strategies wouldn't be different, I'm just using your point to underline the fact that perhaps Bernie is right that F1 racing has ceased to be about "race wins" and that maybe something should be done to put the "win" back into F1. He's concerned that there's less overtaking in the races because drivers know that they can settle for 5th place and still win.

The best F1 driver should be the driver who's got the most wins, not the driver who plays for safe points. The constructor's championship is there for reliable cars, the drivers should be able to use what they've got to the very edge of their limits and try to win every race. The driver shouldn't be sitting playing for safe points knowing that they can win the championship with less race wins than their rival.

And, if the current strategy is that drivers "play for safe points" in favour of "go for the win", then the current strategy is wrong because it means the best driver doesn't win the WDC - it means the most "statistical" driver wins. This is meant to be Formula One - not a driving college.

We shouldn't be in a situation that someone playing for safe points and never actually winning a race could be the world champion. That's a nonsense scenario. It makes each individual "race win" meaningless.

For me, a winner is someone who wins on the circuit - not someone who wins because the statistics tally in his favour.

[peter]

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I'm not saying that the strategies wouldn't be different, I'm just using your point to underline the fact that perhaps Bernie is right that F1 racing has ceased to be about "race wins" and that maybe something should be done to put the "win" back into F1. He's concerned that there's less overtaking in the races because drivers know that they can settle for 5th place and still win.

The best F1 driver should be the driver who's got the most wins, not the driver who plays for safe points. The constructor's championship is there for reliable cars, the drivers should be able to use what they've got to the very edge of their limits and try to win every race. The driver shouldn't be sitting playing for safe points knowing that they can win the championship with less race wins than their rival.

And, if the current strategy is that drivers "play for safe points" in favour of "go for the win", then the current strategy is wrong because it means the best driver doesn't win the WDC - it means the most "statistical" driver wins. This is meant to be Formula One - not a driving college.

We shouldn't be in a situation that someone playing for safe points and never actually winning a race could be the world champion. That's a nonsense scenario. It makes each individual "race win" meaningless.

For me, a winner is someone who wins on the circuit - not someone who wins because the statistics tally in his favour.

Ok so time to pop my head back in. I so agree with the above F1 should be all about the racing and the winner. From what I have read the teams will still pick up points as normal but at the end of the day most people are just worried about which driver wins not so much the team.

[JSR]

Re: For all you none Schumacher/Ferrari fans

Ok so time to pop my head back in. I so agree with the above F1 should be all about the racing and the winner. From what I have read the teams will still pick up points as normal but at the end of the day most people are just worried about which driver wins not so much the team.

Sorry for pinching your thread...

[peter]

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Sorry for pinching your thread...

Your not pinching anything this is what the treads are for feedback and the more the better. So go ahead pinch away