F1 news NOOOOOOooooooo

[peter]

http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_2752162,00.html

Say it is not so. Well like it says in the last line he should know how to set up the car. But all jokes aside does Ferrari really need him. It must be a mistake?? then again it was in the news of the world.

[lumix]

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http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,189...752162,00.html

Say it is not so. Well like it says in the last line he should know how to set up the car. But all jokes aside does Ferrari really need him. It must be a mistake?? then again it was in the news of the world.

I can only say they deserve each other. I'm sure Big Ron will be glad to see him go. Would be nice to see Jenson get his place, he deserves a better car than the Honda.

[coupekid]

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I can only say they deserve each other. I'm sure Big Ron will be glad to see him go. Would be nice to see Jenson get his place, he deserves a better car than the Honda.

I couldnt agree more on every point you say Ron.

[Bearface]

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I can only say they deserve each other.

Why? What have Ferrari done to deserve Alonso..?

I'm sure Big Ron will be glad to see him go. Would be nice to see Jenson get his place, he deserves a better car than the Honda.

I agree completely about Jenson. His driving has been superb and he's worked incredibly hard for Honda, with few if any rewards for his efforts. In a Ferrari (or a McLaren for that matter..........or even a Beemer while I think about it...) he'd more than likely give the top boys a run for their money.

If Alonso is going to Ferrari (I'm not sure how accurate the rumours are to be honest), then it'll be interesting to see how he measures up to Kimi. Of the two drivers he is the more calculating, technical driver......while Kimi is undoubtedly the quicker, more intuitive and talented. If it happens, it'll be interesting, but something tells me it won't...

[Ian]

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I can only say they deserve each other. I'm sure Big Ron will be glad to see him go. Would be nice to see Jenson get his place, he deserves a better car than the Honda.

I'm a big fan of Jenson's, but I'm not very confident that he will get a chance at replacing Alonso; he's actually a bit too old now (weird, but true!) and Nico Rosberg is the bookies' fave.

On the other hand, with traction control gone next seasin, Jensons could be hot property as he reputedly hardly uses it anyway (one of the reasons why Barrichello found it hard to adapt to the car developed for Jenson).

Ian

[lumix]

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Why? What have Ferrari done to deserve Alonso..?

I just think it strange that Alonso was one of the main players in the spy-gate and yet he kept quite and away from the hearing. Hand in glove springs to mind. Or is it that I just don't like Alonso or Ferrari. What secrets of McLarens are going with him.

[Bearface]

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I just think it strange that Alonso was one of the main players in the spy-gate and yet he kept quite and away from the hearing. Hand in glove springs to mind.

Alonso was not only a willing player in the scandal, but he was the primary reason for McLaren ending up in the mire as they did. If I was a team owner, I wouldn't touch him with a barge-pole......not only because he's clearly not a fair, trustworthy individual, but also because his abilities are massively over-rated.

(People rely solely on the fact that he's a two-time world champion when justifying their praise for him, which completely disregards the fact when he was winning, he had the best car (or tyres) for the bulk of those two seasons. However, he's never taken his cars beyond what they're capable of, which is something Schumacher, Raikonnen, Hakkinen, Senna, Mansell and the other truly great drivers can (or could) do routinely. He's consistent and technically strong, but he ain't one of the best).

Why didn't he go to the hearing? Because he didn't want to! He was quite open about it and basically it all came down to Ron's refusal to grant him N0.1 status in the team..........Alonso threw his toys out of the pram and continued to do so even when it became clear that it was his actions which had placed the team in such a predicament. Even if he does end up with Ferrari (which I somehow doubt...), his childish behaviour has nothing to do with them, I'm sure of it.

Or is it that I just don't like Alonso or Ferrari. What secrets of McLarens are going with him.

At least you're honest... I don't like Alonso either, but that's because he's often unsporting, rude and petulant - this season he's been utterly vile both on and off track on more occasions than is acceptable. Ferrari are just a successful team, but as far as I know they've always played the F1 game in a firm but fair manner.

Drivers take with them all sorts of little snippets of info when they move teams, but I think you'll find that vast dossiers of top secret data do not fall into the category of "little snippets". Plus, if he's taking stuff from McLaren, it might be fair to conclude that much of it could have originated from Ferrari..........(okay, I'm half joking)...

[maninwhitecoat]

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I'm also a big fan of Jenson, I think he will do well at Honda, simply because he is committed to the team. Despite their rough season this year, he has stayed on where I guess other drivers may just give up altogether. He believes they have the potential to be winners, because they were able to do that last year. Then for some reason, they got the aerodynamics all wrong this season and have been working hard to fix it since. They're using the rest of this season as testing period. I'd love to see Honda do well next year, especially with Jensen at the reins.

Regarding the driver moves, I was kinda expecting it, for both Alonso and Massa to leave. Alonso I think is being a bit of a baby though, complaining that he should've had priorities at McLaren since he is Current World Champion. But the races are more entertaining this way, where the team drivers compete against each other as well as the other teams.

But my friend said that they should race all F1 races in the rain, even more entertaining! XD

[JSR]

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I'm also a big fan of Jenson, I think he will do well at Honda, simply because he is committed to the team. Despite their rough season this year, he has stayed on where I guess other drivers may just give up altogether. He believes they have the potential to be winners, because they were able to do that last year. Then for some reason, they got the aerodynamics all wrong this season and have been working hard to fix it since. They're using the rest of this season as testing period. I'd love to see Honda do well next year, especially with Jensen at the reins.

Jenson has said that he's staying where he is:

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=41007

I'm pleased with that news. Jenson has what it takes to bring that team up to scratch and, more to the point, he'll enjoy doing it. You've only got to watch the expression on his face and the tone in his voice to see that he cares about his team.

Some people have suggested that he should take Alonso's seat in the McLaren but I'm glad that's not happening. A team in which infighting and politics is more important than racing? Jenson's better than that, and I certainly wouldn't want to see him playing second-fiddle to Hamilton - that'd kill Button's career stone dead.

[Ian]

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Jenson has said that he's staying where he is:

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=41007

I'm pleased with that news. Jenson has what it takes to bring that team up to scratch and, more to the point, he'll enjoy doing it. You've only got to watch the expression on his face and the tone in his voice to see that he cares about his team.

Some people have suggested that he should take Alonso's seat in the McLaren but I'm glad that's not happening. A team in which infighting and politics is more important than racing? Jenson's better than that, and I certainly wouldn't want to see him playing second-fiddle to Hamilton - that'd kill Button's career stone dead.

Nothing is certain in F1 - I saw the interview with Louise Goodman and he basically stated the known facts; that he is contracted to Honda. But if Ron knocked on Honda's door, I'm sure a way could be found. I'm pretty sure that Jenson has performance clauses in his contract so he probably could go if he wanted to, though someone might have to pay Honda some compensation (perversely!).

Personally, on balance, I think Jenson should stay at Honda as they are 100% committed to win. If they can tackle the aerodynamic deficiencies in the car, they have most of the other ingredients to be up there with the McLarens and the Ferraris.

I still think there is a marginal chance that Alonso will stay at McLaren. I think 2007 surprised and confused him, but in 2008 he will know exactly what to expect at McLaren. But if he does go, I think McLaren need an experienced race winner in his car - but there aren't many of them around!

Ian

[JSR]

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Nothing is certain in F1 - I saw the interview with Louise Goodman and he basically stated the known facts; that he is contracted to Honda. But if Ron knocked on Honda's door, I'm sure a way could be found. I'm pretty sure that Jenson has performance clauses in his contract so he probably could go if he wanted to, though someone might have to pay Honda some compensation (perversely!).

I saw that too and it sounded like he was a bit surprised that people were thinking of him in those terms, the implication being that he wasn't thinking of himself in those terms. Then again, it could have been the old political spiel of "I'm not looking to move, but if an offer was made..." line.

Personally, on balance, I think Jenson should stay at Honda as they are 100% committed to win. If they can tackle the aerodynamic deficiencies in the car, they have most of the other ingredients to be up there with the McLarens and the Ferraris.

I think if Jenson was in a McLaren, he'd have no chance of winning a Grand Prix and certainly not a WDC because he'd never get out from Hamilton's shadow. If a two-time WDC can't get out from a rookie's shadow, Button would be on the back foot before even starting. At least in a rival team, any rival team, he'd have a chance of winning. Honda's as good a place as any to achieve that.

Last year, Button was very firmly "best of the rest". If Honda hadn't made mistakes for this year and with the likes of Renault and Williams not being quite so good, Honda & Button could have been doing some good things by now. Hopefully that'll come through next year.

I still think there is a marginal chance that Alonso will stay at McLaren. I think 2007 surprised and confused him, but in 2008 he will know exactly what to expect at McLaren. But if he does go, I think McLaren need an experienced race winner in his car - but there aren't many of them around!

Despite all the fuss that's been caused, I don't think McLaren want Alonso to leave either. If Alonso went to a rival team in which he was given number one position, then Hamilton (and, therefore, McLaren themselves) would have some serious competition on their hands. At least by keeping control over Alonso, they keep any other team from getting their hands on the double WDC. It's like any other business, if you can't beat them you buy them out or take them over.