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    It looks like Canon and Panasonic (could be more but not confirmed atm) announced some compact digicams that can use SDXC cards in addition to SDHC at CES currently held in Las Vegas.

    As my interests are more about the new card and its usage as computer storage, I chose to upload some of my questions here.

    The announcement from Panasonic USA about the card is here.


    The prices are prohibitively expensive when compared to SDHC, so I would not buy one until I think the prices become reasonable but I do have interests. (US$ 599.95 for 64GB and US$449.95 for 48GB, available in US from Feb.)

    questions:

    1) Can SDXC cards be used on older cameras (both compact digicams and dSLR's) that use SDHC by updating the firmware? If affirmative, will the camera manufacturers do it? - the file format system looks like different from SDHC but ,as I understand it, it is a firmware issue? (this is purely a question and not saying it is.)

    2) when will new dSLR models that can use SDXC (in addition to SDHC) be announced? Most likely at PSA in Feb? SDXC looks like more suitable/needed for HD video recording.

    3) The data transfer speed of the two SDXC cards are said to be up to 22MB/sec. (speed class 10) . When SDXC's idea was announced a year ago, the announcement said the max speed would be 104MB/sec and possible to improve it to 300MB/sec. iirc.

    So the announced two cards look to me rather slow in view of their theoretical potentiality. I guess this is faster than SDHC but still slower than CF cards. In other words, not fast enough to replace CF cards still widely used on dSLR's?

    My understanding is that as SDHC is slower than CF (around 37MB/sec.) , so manufacturers continuously use CF cards for some/many dSLR's to get more fps. Once the speed of SDXC exceeds that of CF, then CF cards will just disappear from new models... ?

    4) when will 2TB SDXC will become available? will it make computer (also camera ) size smaller? or two slots of SDXC cards become a standard feature for, say, pro dSLR models?

    When prices are equal between 2TB SDXC and 2TB Hard Disk Drives, I will surely buy SDXC.

    Hopefully I can find answers to some of the above when PSA is held in Feb. and can have rough idea about the road map.

    yoshi

    P.S. I also learned that Sony announced compact digicams that can use SDHC (not SDXC) in addtion to their memory stick. So time is surely changing. They are getting more flexible in their attmeps to recover market shares in compact digicams?

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    Re: SDXC cards

    Originally posted by yoshi View Post
    It looks like Canon and Panasonic (could be more but not confirmed atm) announced some compact digicams that can use SDXC cards in addition to SDHC at CES currently held in Las Vegas.

    As my interests are more about the new card and its usage as computer storage, I chose to upload some of my questions here.

    The announcement from Panasonic USA about the card is here.


    The prices are prohibitively expensive when compared to SDHC, so I would not buy one until I think the prices become reasonable but I do have interests. (US$ 599.95 for 64GB and US$449.95 for 48GB, available in US from Feb.)

    questions:

    1) Can SDXC cards be used on older cameras (both compact digicams and dSLR's) that use SDHC by updating the firmware? If affirmative, will the camera manufacturers do it? - the file format system looks like different from SDHC but ,as I understand it, it is a firmware issue? (this is purely a question and not saying it is.)

    2) when will new dSLR models that can use SDXC (in addition to SDHC) be announced? Most likely at PSA in Feb? SDXC looks like more suitable/needed for HD video recording.

    3) The data transfer speed of the two SDXC cards are said to be up to 22MB/sec. (speed class 10) . When SDXC's idea was announced a year ago, the announcement said the max speed would be 104MB/sec and possible to improve it to 300MB/sec. iirc.

    So the announced two cards look to me rather slow in view of their theoretical potentiality. I guess this is faster than SDHC but still slower than CF cards. In other words, not fast enough to replace CF cards still widely used on dSLR's?

    My understanding is that as SDHC is slower than CF (around 37MB/sec.) , so manufacturers continuously use CF cards for some/many dSLR's to get more fps. Once the speed of SDXC exceeds that of CF, then CF cards will just disappear from new models... ?

    4) when will 2TB SDXC will become available? will it make computer (also camera ) size smaller? or two slots of SDXC cards become a standard feature for, say, pro dSLR models?

    When prices are equal between 2TB SDXC and 2TB Hard Disk Drives, I will surely buy SDXC.

    Hopefully I can find answers to some of the above when PSA is held in Feb. and can have rough idea about the road map.

    yoshi

    P.S. I also learned that Sony announced compact digicams that can use SDHC (not SDXC) in addtion to their memory stick. So time is surely changing. They are getting more flexible in their attmeps to recover market shares in compact digicams?
    I'm not expecting SDXC to be backwards compatible in SD/SDHC slots, but I do expect SDXC slots to accept older SD/SDHC cards. But I will try to get confirmation.

    Yes, SDHC's maximum transfer rate is lower than the maximum rate of CF, although you need a well-connected (FireWire 800) card reader to benefit from the faster potential speed of CF (300x, 600x). But whenever I tested 133x SD cards and 133x CF cards, the SD cards were slightly faster.

    SDXC does look very interesting, although as you point out the price is very high for now.

    There are so many interesting memory technologies now - SSD, SDXC. 600X CF, USB3, eSATA devices, etc.!

    Ian
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    • #3
      Re: SDXC cards

      Hi Ian,
      While continuously searching for more info about SDXC cards, at Toshiba USA site, I found this kind of explanation about their SDXC 64GB card that is to be launched also in Srping this year.

      "Supports UHS104, a new ultra high speed interface in the new SD Memory Card Standard Ver. 3.00, which provides 104MB per second bus speed on the SD interface, and realizes maximum write speed of 35MB per sec., with a read speed of 60MB per sec."

      (url: http://www.toshiba.com/taec/news/pre...emy_09_572.jsp )

      I still need to understand the relationship between SD bus speed (UHS-I for 104MB/sec. and UHS-II for 300MB/sec.) and the data transmission speed such as 35MB/sec. - yeah, I'm learning slowly - very slowly indeed so I need a good guidance for better understanding.

      From this site, however, I learned that Toshiba SDXC has a faster data transmission speed of 35MB/sec (write) and 60MB/sec. (read). This is much faster than the Panasonic two SDXC cards (simply referred to as "up to 22MB/sec.")
      The Toshiba's "sample price" is said to be about 40K yen (or approx. US$40). I know that sample price is just a special price for clients' evaluation. If however the prices of Panasonic and Toshiba are similar, then Toshiba will probably win because of their faster speed. Toshiba announced this press release in Aug. last year, while Panasonic, just this month - later and less impressive ones than Toshiba But anyway we do need more entrants to reduce the prices...when will samsung announce theirs?

      Looking forward to reading your user friendly report. Being a non-tecchy guy, the more raw/unguided info I have, the much more confusion I have...

      yoshi

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      • #4
        Re: SDXC cards

        Originally posted by yoshi View Post
        Hi Ian,
        While continuously searching for more info about SDXC cards, at Toshiba USA site, I found this kind of explanation about their SDXC 64GB card that is to be launched also in Srping this year.

        "Supports UHS104, a new ultra high speed interface in the new SD Memory Card Standard Ver. 3.00, which provides 104MB per second bus speed on the SD interface, and realizes maximum write speed of 35MB per sec., with a read speed of 60MB per sec."

        (url: http://www.toshiba.com/taec/news/pre...emy_09_572.jsp )

        I still need to understand the relationship between SD bus speed (UHS-I for 104MB/sec. and UHS-II for 300MB/sec.) and the data transmission speed such as 35MB/sec. - yeah, I'm learning slowly - very slowly indeed so I need a good guidance for better understanding.

        From this site, however, I learned that Toshiba SDXC has a faster data transmission speed of 35MB/sec (write) and 60MB/sec. (read). This is much faster than the Panasonic two SDXC cards (simply referred to as "up to 22MB/sec.")
        The Toshiba's "sample price" is said to be about 40K yen (or approx. US$40). I know that sample price is just a special price for clients' evaluation. If however the prices of Panasonic and Toshiba are similar, then Toshiba will probably win because of their faster speed. Toshiba announced this press release in Aug. last year, while Panasonic, just this month - later and less impressive ones than Toshiba But anyway we do need more entrants to reduce the prices...when will samsung announce theirs?

        Looking forward to reading your user friendly report. Being a non-tecchy guy, the more raw/unguided info I have, the much more confusion I have...

        yoshi
        We had a press release from Panasonic yesterday that outlined their plans for SDXC, see:



        Ian
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        Digital Photography Now (DPNow.com)
        Twitter: www.twitter.com/ian_burley
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        • #5
          Re: SDXC cards

          Originally posted by Ian View Post
          We had a press release from Panasonic yesterday that outlined their plans for SDXC, see:



          Ian
          Yes, I read it and thanks for it. It however gives only some explanation about the two cards Panasonic is going to launch soon and I do not think it impressive.
          yoshi

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